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		<title>Déjà Vu</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A number of years ago, there was a colorful figure in baseball named Yogi Berra, and what Yogi was most famous for were his malapropisms or maybe his &#8220;Yogi-isms&#8221;. One of his better known was the statement &#8220;It&#8217;s just like &#8230; <a href="http://steelcityskeptics.net/2008/09/04/deja-vu/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=steelcityskeptics.net&amp;blog=13845404&amp;post=87&amp;subd=steelcityskeptics&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of years ago, there was a colorful figure in baseball named Yogi Berra, and what Yogi was most famous for were his malapropisms or maybe his &#8220;Yogi-isms&#8221;. One of his better known was the statement &#8220;It&#8217;s just like déjà vu all over again”. This statement came quite readily to mind as I reflected on the presentation that I attended last night. The presentation was by a creation &#8220;scientist&#8221; and was sponsored by the CFI affiliated campus group at CMU, Atheists, Humanists, and Agnostics.</p>
<p>About forty years ago, I attended a pyramid scheme sales pitch sponsored by some friends of mine who had already been duped into the scheme. (I also got asked to attend one of these for a different product a few years later, as well.) The way they sell these gimmicks is that they show all these people who are living the &#8220;good life&#8221; and have supposedly made tons of money with this scheme as testimonials. And they spend close to an hour showing images of large houses and yachts and expensive cars. But they gloss over the nuts and bolts of the plan and count on their mark being distracted and dazzled by all the glitz who get caught up in their enhanced desire for financial success to think too clearly about the scheme behind the scenes.</p>
<p>For a number of years, I used to sell heated paint spray booths to bodyshops. The brand that I handled used what is known as a “direct fire” heating plant. One of my competitors sold booths with “indirect fire” heating systems. He used to write articles for trade publications stressing the dangers of direct fire. He did this by writing one or two paragraphs listing the potential problems of direct fire (which did exist but were very slight) and then spent the next two pages describing in excruciating detail the terrible things that could be the result of these potential problems.</p>
<p>By now you are probably asking &#8220;what does all this have to do with creation science?&#8221; Quite simply this: it&#8217;s like déjà vu all over again. This presentation was merely sleight of hand and smoke and mirrors. The presenter, a Dr. Charles Jackson, from East Tennessee State was supposed to give a 30-minute presentation to be followed by a 30 minute Q &amp; A session. What he gave was a 45-minute presentation, about 5 minutes of which was actually devoted to his argument, that was nothing more than a variation on the tired old “intelligent design” notion that it-just-looks-like-it-had-to-have-been-designed-by-an-intelligent-designer nonsense.</p>
<p>The rest of the time he spent doing two things: quoting famous freethinkers out of context and trying to imply that they would support his poor logic, and touting his own credentials to try to support the assertion that he’s not just some irrational crackpot. (This, of course, was in response to Richard Dawkins’ quote that “anybody who doesn’t believe in evolution is either dumb, ignorant, or insane. With his poor critical thinking skills, and hence a lack of developed intellect, I would characterize him as ignorant, and with his irrational belief in superstitious nonsense with no viable evidence to support it, I would consider him at least partially insane.)</p>
<p>So what we had was a very poor and very weak variation of a thoroughly discredited argument started up in a whole lot of insubstantial window dressing, all of which appeared to be intended to distract the listener from the lack of substance in the argument itself. It’s something that I have seen many times before and I left the presentation feeling very angry that this guy would have the arrogance to waste my time presenting this as cogent, logical thought deserving to be part of rational discourse on the subject of evolution. As Yogi said – it’s like déjà vu all over again.</p>
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		<title>Anthropic Principle</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Anthropic Principle exists in over thirty different forms, and it&#8217;s an important concept for skeptics to deal with because it is used by both theists and atheists to support their differing cosmological claims. Shall we discuss its implications a &#8230; <a href="http://steelcityskeptics.net/2008/09/04/anthropic-principle/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=steelcityskeptics.net&amp;blog=13845404&amp;post=80&amp;subd=steelcityskeptics&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Anthropic_principle">Anthropic Principle</a> exists in over thirty different forms, and it&#8217;s an important concept for skeptics to deal with because it is used by both <a href="http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design.shtml">theists</a> and <a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dawkins06/dawkins06_index.html">atheists</a> to support their differing cosmological claims. Shall we discuss its implications a little bit?</p>
<p>The term &#8220;Anthropic Principle&#8221; was originally coined by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Carter">Brandon  Carter</a> in 1974 to help explain how scientists reason under observation selection effects. The heart of this principle is that the universe must have those properties that would allow life to develop within it at some stage in its history. (The different versions have different emphases&#8211;e.g., that intelligent life is a necessary development, an inevitable development, a likely development, or an immortal development&#8211;but I&#8217;ll let you read about those <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle#Variants">on Wikipedia</a>.)</p>
<p>When viewed properly, as Dawkins points out, the Anthropic Principle is simply a recognition of reality: our planet must be the rare one that supports life, because here we are on it. Appeals to incredulity (&#8220;What are the chances?!&#8221;) fall short. <span style="font-style:italic;">Of course</span> we&#8217;re here; even if the chances of life developing on a planet were one in a billion, it would still develop once every billion planets&#8230;and Earth is one of those. Why are we, in some sort of faux objectivism, so surprised that it was <span style="font-style:italic;">us</span>? This is the kind of hubris-mixed-with-solipsism that leads people to use the Anthropic Principle as an argument for design. The odds are small, indeed, but we couldn&#8217;t be anywhere else but where we are to consider them.</p>
<p>Moreover, we don&#8217;t live in the best of all possible worlds as ID proponents indicate. Leave aside for a moment <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080112152249.htm">cosmic collisions</a> and asteroids that have certainly <a href="http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980419c.html">hit our planet</a> in the past; Earth&#8217;s own biological system is built on death, decay, and survival at the expense of others. Far from being a curse of &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_Man">the fall</a>,&#8221; this system is fundamentally incompatible with any vestige of a &#8220;perfect,&#8221; prelapsarian world without &#8220;sin&#8221; or death, filled with grass-eating leopards and no presence of viral or parasitic life. To move from such a system to the one we have now, the world as we know it would case to exist and another would have to be substituted in its place. <span style="font-style:italic;">We don&#8217;t have corrupt perfection; we have something that, by theological standards of perfection, is built from the ground up on a necessarily imperfect framework.</span> Without the &#8220;errors&#8221; of death and destruction at every level of existence, earth could not function. God would have to have, in essence, destroyed his original perfect world after the fall and created an entirely new one with errors like death for people to suffer in. Whoopee!</p>
<p>There is a distinction, of course, between the genuine flaws in our still-wonderful world and the ubiquitous imperfection that is demanded by religious views of death and sickness in the world (e.g., some other organism is almost always benefiting from the above &#8220;flaws&#8221;). It is ironic, therefore, that ID proponents are the ones who talk about what a perfect, flawless system we have, and that it must therefore point to a loving creator. Get it straight! Do we live in a system of perfect balance that couldn&#8217;t be accredited to anyone but God but that still isn&#8217;t perfect? Did he just rebuild a new earth based on death after the fall, but maintain what you call perfection in other cosmological areas (which isn&#8217;t perfection, by the way) just to astound us thousands of years later when we finally started to explore the universe and realized that he doesn&#8217;t exist anyway? Come on.</p>
<p>On an even more basic level, nobody who propounds the idea of omnipotent design should express any wonder whatsoever at the &#8220;delicate balance of the universe&#8221; or be in awe of how things turned out (which is basically the anthropic argument). The <a href="http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2008/06/yomin-postelnik-poster-boy-for-arrogant.html">Atheist Experience blog</a> makes a good point here:</p>
<blockquote><p>Argue for an omnipotent God, and all this talk about the universe needing to obey specific laws, work in &#8220;harmony&#8221; like a &#8220;machine,&#8221; have only certain planetary conditions to harbor life, and all that, is so much superfluous noise. The Christian&#8217;s all-powerful creator God could, if he so wished (and, given this God&#8217;s obsession with being worshiped by as many sentient beings as possible, there&#8217;s no reason for him not to wish), have intelligent beings living on every planet in the solar system, on every airless asteroid, hell, even on the surface of the sun and floating in pure vacuum between the worlds. The great irony of apologists who employ such things as design and anthropic arguments is that they don&#8217;t realize <span style="font-style:italic;">they are using limits to prove the existence of their limitless God</span>. The premise of their arguments contradicts the nature of the God they&#8217;re arguing for.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s take this whole thing one step further: Christians apply anthropic arguments to more than just cosmology. They apply the core principle of their distorted appeal-to-incredulity version of the Anthropic Principle to prayer, disasters, and everyday events. When the natural occurs, the random good event among the bad ones becomes a miracle, regardless of the fact that all the bad ones still occurred, or the fact that it would have been even more improbable for a 100 percent negative outcome to occur without any survivors to bolster faith in God&#8217;s providence.</p>
<p>I thought about this for the first time about a year ago when I was cutting the grass outside my apartment. The lawn mower had gone over the entire yard and cut down every blade of grass&#8211;save one that stood up amongst the utter destruction on every side of it. How could this be? Well, the effing mower just missed a piece. Nothing&#8217;s unusual about that. But if that one blade of grass represented the sole survivor of a bloody battle, I&#8217;m sure he would, from his position (hence the Anthropic Principle), claim that it was a miracle. Look: it&#8217;s only a miracle if you can predict what will naturally be a random outcome <span style="font-style:italic;">and</span> compensate for chance guesses.</p>
<p>Answers to prayer are equally affected by this myopia and willingness to chuck up all the positive elements of the status quo to divine intervention. Here, for example, is an account from evangelist Mary K. Baxter in her recent book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Revelation-Prayer-Mary-Baxter/dp/1603740503/">A Divine Revelation of Prayer</a>, detailing what happened when their camper broke down on the highway:</p>
<blockquote><p>We had no idea what was happening, but we quickly turned our attention to finding a place to pull everything over and assess the damage. Immediately I yelled, &#8220;Pray everybody, pray!&#8221; There seemed to be no place to pull this big rig over, when just around the bend we saw a clearing and an old service station. We began to clap our hands and yell, &#8220;Thank You, Jesus!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Holy crap, what are the implications here? Assuming God didn&#8217;t just materialize the rest stop for them <span style="font-style:italic;">ex nihilo</span>, we have to assume that the reason he&#8217;s to be praised is simply for staving off their breakdown until they were near a semi-convenient area. If he could do this, wouldn&#8217;t it have been ever better to prevent the breakdown from happening in the first place? And if he could have prevented it, chose not to, and still admits to dicking around in human affairs enough to be worthy of praise when something goes right, isn&#8217;t it kind of malicious to screw with the chain of events just enough to make them bearable without removing the problems altogether?</p>
<p>There are no good answers for these questions. If we admit that God affects human affairs in any way whatsoever, paradoxes of reality and events such as the one(s) discussed <a href="http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god1.htm">here</a> simply cannot be explained. Things simply are the way they are; we live in the universe we do and on the planet we do; that&#8217;s why things have occurred the way they have. God isn&#8217;t adjusting reality for us, and he certainly didn&#8217;t create it in a fragile system that could only be explained by his nuanced benevolence.</p>
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